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Yes, sir. This is an insurance manager at California Institute of Technology.

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Yes.

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And my secretary was telling me that she and her husband observed a UFO up over the JPL region last night.

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Now, she also indicated that there was a helicopter below it, but attempting to shine a light in the direction of it.

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And that all of a sudden it just disappeared.

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So whether it was a weather balloon or a UFO, we don't know.

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But I'd like to turn her over to you and then she can describe it to you.

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Ryan, thank you.

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Yes, sir. Just one moment, please.

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Hello.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Yes, it was about 10.30 last night.

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And I'm not very far from JPL.

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And it was a light outchart. It wasn't light. The light was very bright.

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Very bright. At first we got it with the airplane, because we were just out looking.

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And then later it started, well it was moving anyway from the beginning.

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And later it stood still for a long length of time.

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And so we knew it wasn't an airplane then.

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And then one of the helicopters was shining a light up at it.

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And then all of a sudden it disappeared.

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It disappeared. You mean it just went out?

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Yes, it just went out. It just disappeared while the helicopter had the light on it.

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And then the helicopter kept flying around looking.

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But he couldn't see anything because it was gone.

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And it was kind of green at the top. I could see little green lights.

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And then at the bottom it was like little red lights.

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And were these lights continuous and stationary?

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Yes, they weren't stationary. They were off and on.

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I see them. Okay.

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Right. My husband observed it also.

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Now did this object have any particular shape?

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It was so high up, all I could tell is that it was round.

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Now this shaft of light from the helicopter, in your opinion, did it ever reach the object?

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Well it was up there close to it.

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From where we were standing, we couldn't really tell.

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But I know it was close to it because the helicopter kept flying around it.

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And then it kept shining a light on it.

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And then the beam just disappeared. It went down a little bit.

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And then it disappeared.

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Okay. Do you have any estimate on the size of this object?

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Can you compare it with anything for size?

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No. Well the light of it was too big to be an airplane light.

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Because he knew that.

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And when it stood still, we really knew it wasn't an airplane.

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But the size of it is hard to really tell.

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Yes, I know. Estimates are really hard.

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It wasn't real large. It wasn't.

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Okay. Now did you actually see this object moving when you first spotted it?

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Right. At first we saw it moving.

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But my husband said, look at the airplane.

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And he wondered if it was an airplane because we saw it moving.

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It was moving slow. And then it got not too far from JPL because I said I'll leave that far from there.

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And it was on that side of the sky.

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Anyway, on to the north.

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Okay. And that was seen by you and your husband.

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Right. And then it was also seen by a helicopter.

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Great. Okay.

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Do you have any heard anything about it?

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Not yet.

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Hi. This is UFO Reporting Center in Washington.

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The word center?

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Reporting center?

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Oh, yeah. Just a second.

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Hello.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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I'd like to ask you a few more questions regarding your sighting.

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Okay.

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How long did you watch that object?

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Let me see. How long did we watch that?

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It must have been about 15 to 20 minutes.

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You know, it was moving around.

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And then it must have been about 15 to 20 minutes we were looking at it.

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But I was. And my husband stayed outside looking.

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Okay.

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Now, in relation to that helicopter, when did you spot the helicopter?

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Did you actually see it come into the area?

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Yes. And it shined its light on it.

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Did the helicopter...

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Now, when you first spotted the object, it was moving into the area.

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Did the helicopter follow that object into the area?

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Yes. The helicopter was just light.

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He, you know, shined its light up at it.

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And then he, you know, he just kept shining it around.

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And he circled around and shined it up at the object.

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And then the object started coming down a little bit.

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And it just disappeared.

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Well, then the helicopter and the object came into your view at the same time?

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No. The object was first seen.

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And then the helicopter?

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And then we saw a helicopter come up.

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Okay.

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And then we saw a helicopter come up.

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Fine.

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Do you have any idea of the time gap between the time you saw the object and the time that you saw the chopper?

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Um, you know what?

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Uh, it must have been a matter of maybe, it's hard to tell, maybe a minute or so or two.

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Okay.

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Because in the Disney, they had been scanning the sky and saw the thing too.

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That's why the helicopter popped into your view.

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That's very obvious, yes.

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Right.

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And that's why we knew we weren't just imagining anything because we saw the helicopter.

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We said, well, yes, we're quite sure that it must have been stuck to the train.

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Right.

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It did look weird.

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It was just a real bright, you know, it's just a bright object.

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At first we thought about it as an airplane, but then it was too big to have an airplane light.

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Right.

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And then we kept looking at it and all of a sudden it stopped moving.

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And that's when we really knew it wasn't an airplane because an airplane would stop it in those skies for that endless time.

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So you feel that that object was definitely hovering over JPL?

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Well, I don't want to be specific.

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Well, you know, like I said, we don't live far from JPL.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Is that located in Pasadena or Altadena?

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What is the exact location?

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Could you give me that?

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The cross street?

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Uh, where the, what the sighting was?

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No, the March JPL was located.

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Uh, do you know what you're doing?

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Orange Grove Drive.

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Orange Grove Drive, okay.

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They're looking at Orange Grove Drive behind, you know, up in the hills.

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Oh, okay, fine.

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But you know it stood there in that spot for a long time.

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Right.

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About five, you know, about five, when you're looking at something like that, you just can't really feel it.

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It was in no five minutes.

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It wasn't.

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Huh?

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Okay.

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See, we both saw it that way.

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It was kind of fun.

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Well, it's very hard to keep track of time when you're excited watching something like that.

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Right.

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Well, we thank you again for talking to us.

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Okay.

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Was it something that, was it something that was of interest to you, to think of something that, you know, it's hard to tell.

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You just investigate.

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Right.

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Right now we're in the process of investigating.

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Okay, then.

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Thank you very much.

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Bye.